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<font face="frazzle">CRASH AND BURN: ANTI-CRASH</font>


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This is a thread for all people who are sick of the relationship between Craig and Ashley. For those of you who are offended by the content in this thread, you are welcome to reply. However, Anti-Crashers don't just enjoy debating. We revel it.

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by Callie


by Methodic Ways

Note: I don't know why it's so difficult for us to get a very simple point across, but there are some people who actually think we are stupid ignorant idiots who think that Ashley made Craig bipolar. Nobody has ever said this. This is simply a ridiculous misunderstanding. People can B**** about how they're annoyed that people would say that. But they're b****ing at nothing because nobody ever said that. Newsflash people, there is a difference between triggering someone's episodes and actually giving them the disorder in general. And if you can't see that, then maybe we are not the idiots here. So GET OVER IT.




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by DancerChild018




1.) Because if they didn't have music, their relationship would be nothing.
2.) Because Craig wasn't discovered as bipolar until after they got back together.
3.) Because he blew off the opportunity to record a demo CD just to chase after her.
4.) Because even after they broke up, Craig was still into his band and making music. It was never about her.
5.) Because she's far too serious and melodramatic for him.
6.) Because "any more bitter and she'd be a lemon."
7.) Because she's already uncomfortable being around him.
8.) Because she acts as if she needs to "take care" of Craig.
9.) Because they're not exciting or do anything fun. All they do is make music.
10.) Because he's blowing his future for her.
11.) Because he chose Manny in Holiday, but didn't dump Ash because she gave him a guitar.
12.) Because she was a spiteful witch to him in Rock and Roll Highschool.
13.) Because their kisses are so lame. Like they're afraid to be passionate.
14.) Because they're trying to be cute, which they're not.
15.) Because Craig is a very enthusiastic outgoing guy, while Ashley is just boring.
16.) Because he told Marco he looked like Ashley. And Marco's a guy.
17.) Because when Manny was cold, he snuggled with her, when Ash was cold, he got her a hot drink.
18.) Because she's Miss Band Breaker Upper.
19.) Because his lyrics are emotional while hers are just depressing.
20.) Because he didn't cheat on her just because of hormones.
21.) Because if it weren't for the kissing, their relationship seems more like brother/sister.
22.) Because Craig only seems crazy around her.
23.) Because she's only "fun" on E.
24.) Because why is it that we don't get anymore references to the fact that she and Jimmy use to date?
25.) Because Downtown Sasquatch kicked Hell Hath No Fury's ass.
26.) Because it's okay to open your mouths a little, geez.
27.) Because last time they dated, it was a disaster, this time it's not only nuclear, it's going to Crash and Burn.
28.) Because Terri was the one who comforted him in TANE, not Ashley.
29.) Because she's always "concerned."
30.) Because a relationship isn't healthy if you're scared of your partner.
31.) Because they're not perfect for eachother. It's an illusion.
32.) Because Manny showed him unconditional love.
33.) Because even Marco seems better for him.
34.) Because he's getting too obsessive of her, which isn't cool.
35.) Because even on his meds she still thinks he's nuts.
36.) Because she "didn't think at all."
37.) Because she acts more like his mother than his girlfriend.
38.) Because she wants a whole summer of space from her boyfriend.
39.) Because the longer he's with her, the worse he'll get.
40.) Because he's becoming dependent of her.
41.) Because when "love isn't about luck, it's about being with the right person," who did he run to? Ash? Nope.
42.) Because "that stupid lie of a song."
43.) Because you don't tell someone you love them in a card.
44.) Because she's gonna make the day he met her a day he'll regret.
45.) Because his "favorite pastry chef" wanted to take a break.
46.) Because just because her boyfriend's a rocker, doesn't mean she has to be too.
47.) Because a shared interest in music isn't enough to make two people perfect for eachother.
48.) Because girlfriends come and go, but friends are for life. A concept lost on Craig.
49.) Because music, movies and goulash...Wow, what meaningful conversations.
50.) Because they don't understand eachother at all. It just appears that way because of their shared love of music.
51.) Because nobody needs to get between them again for this relationship to blow.
52.) Because she makes him do stupid crazy things(proposing, blow his future, make scenes.)
53.) Because her so called hard times in life are hardly as bad as his.
54.) Because their paths in life are going to pull them apart.
55.) Because he's already starting to regret abandoning the Squatch for her. Hah.
56.) Because their relationship keeps getting more and more unhealthy by the episode.
57.) Because he had dreams of becoming a big rock star, and he blew it all just to obsess over her.
58.) Because maybe the summer away from Ash will help him see just how ridiculous he was.
59.) Because the Squatch was always there, Ashley wasn't.
60.) Because you don't write a hate song about your ex-boyfriend and then call him self-absorbed when he thinks it's about him.
61.) Because if she weren't such a prude he never would have been with Manny.
62.) Because it's their lack of communication that's going to separate them, not someone else.
63.) Because if she can't handle him for six months, how is she going to handle him for the rest of her life?
64.) Because he threw away his meds because she didn't want him to go to England!
65.) Because they are by far the most destructive couple on Degrassi.
66.) Because who gives a treasured family airloom to a highschool boyfriend?
67.) Because he called her a virus
68.) Because he needs to realize he doesn't need her.
69.) Because even Craig's own friends Spinner and Marco prefer Manny over Ash.
70.) Because this space will benefit Craig more than Ash.
71.) Because all she cares about is making his life a living hell.
72.) Because of the Flaming Craig Head Tee.
73.) Because other than music and style they have NOTHING IN COMMON.
74.) Because he made her all sulky and depressed.
75.) Because Ashley, The Bad Influence is indeed a bad influence.
76.) Because she actually told him she needs to get away from him.
77.) Because a Ramones Tee is a "friend" gift, not a "girlfriend" gift.
78.) Because why was Ashley the one in Craig's hospital room? What about Joey?
79.) Because a kiss on the cheek, tight mouthed kiss on the lips...Are these two really boyfriend and girlfriend?
80.) Because you need to look beyond the surface to know this couple sucks.
81.) Because Cranny may have had "slobberfests" but at least they had passion.
82.) Because we want the strong, independent, photography lovin', backboned, rock star Craig Manning back!
83.) Because matching wristcuffs say "Look, we're trying to match!" Not "meant to be."
84.) Ash can't see beyond his disorder to understand him.
85.) Because it's okay to JUST BE FRIENDS.
86.) Because wouldn't "Craig, I love you, I just need a vacation by myself" be so much nicer than "I need to get away from you"?
87.) Because she couldn't understand why saying "I love you" wasn't easy for him.
88.) Because the name "Crash" is so easy to turn against them.
89.) Because just because Craig stood up to Jay, doesn't make it embarrassing.
90.) Because we thought she couldn't pretend to forgive or forget?
91.) Because he asked her not to talk about his disorder, but she still did.
92.) Because even her lips are uptight.
93.) Because Caitlin was more mature and never would have ditched Joey the way Ashley ditched Craig.
94.) Because an airport "I love you" is a goodbye "I love you." Hey, so long as it's a GOODBYE.
95.) Because Marco should have thrown a disc at her, too.
96.) Because kisses on the cheek are totally sweet...For your MOM!. For your girlfriend, it's insulting.
97.) Because Ashley can't help Craig if she wants to get away from them.
98.) Because putting aside MUSIC, please. And just HOW do these two. understand eachother oh so well?
99.) Because when a girl chases a guy, she's clingy. But when a guy chases a girl, *SIGH*soooo romantic. Please.
100.) Because did he just make a reference to getting Manny pregnant before having sex with Ash?
101.) Because Craig is much better off on his own.
102). Because Craig wanting to marry Ashley is no sweeter than him wanting to start a family with Manny.
103.) Because Jimmy give Craig love advice, and it's for his EX GIRLFRIEND. Twisted much?
104.) Because watching these two together is like inducing more than just a spoonful of sugar. Try fifty cartons of syrup. (Runs to the toilet to barf.)
105.) Because Spinner was just trying to be Craig's friend again.
106.) Because Ashley, his Guardian Angel?? How...I mean...How?
107.) Because when has Ashley ever really helped Craig anyways?
108.) Because it would make more sense if they were long lost siblings. They look like they could be.
109.) Because Craig has more chemistry with his guitar.
110.) Because she had to repeat and emphasize that she was freezing.
111.) Because she told him she wasn't leaving...and she left.
112.) Because she tried to convince Craig that their relationship was much more important than his friends' feelings.
113.) Because it's always about her.
114.) Because her uptight, moody attitude isn't beneficial to anyone, including Craig.
115.) Because if she needs space all the time, Craig is not the right guy for her to be with.
116.) Because he made her feel like she wanted to die.
117.) Because there was no way he was going to let his ex girlfriend beat him in a band competition.
118.) Because telling one friend isn't exactly going around.
119.) Because how on earth are they bringing out the best in eachother? Another overexaggeration.
120.) Because he may not have been able to dump Ashley for Manny, but he couldn't stop seeing Manny, either.
121.) Because she can hate him when it doesn't matter anymore.
122.) Because "You don't know how to say it Craig, because you don't really love me!"
123.) Because nothing was good enough for her.
124.) Because with the lack of passion, and all those layers of clothing Ashley was wearing, they must look extremely awkward in bed.
125.) Because he made fun of her lyrics.
126.) Because "Oh you know what, go-"
127.) Because even Ashley's family thinks them being together is a bad idea.
128.) Because she is the indirect cause of all of his recent episodes.
129.) Because she attacked him everytime he passed her in the hall.
130.) Because what's harder to deal with? Having a bipolar boyfriend, or actually being bipolar yourself?
131.) Because he was dead to her.
132.) Because the slap at the end of Holiday was priceless.
133.) Because what was he thinking before cheating on her with Manny, he wondered? Oh, he'll be reminded soon enough.
134.) Because ever since they got back together it has caused nothing but pain
135.) Because she needs to stop asking about his pills in public.
136.) Because just because Ashley didn't officially break up with him, doesn't mean this hasn't caused a huge strain in their relationship.
137.) Because she looked really awkard and uncomfortable when Craig was muzzling her neck(SISOSIG).
138.) Because thank God Mr. Simpson stayed over.
139.) Because they've kissed on the cheek way more times than they've kissed on the lips. It's really overdone.
140.) Because they really would have been better off just going to the beach.
141.) Because he had a girlfriend, but he still wanted to be with Manny. Shows how much his relationship with Ashley really meant to him.
142.) Because she deserves no special recognition for helping Craig get through his dad's death.
143.) Because she ruined "Dust" with her pretty, pretty piano.
144.) Because that kiss in Neutron Dance looked so awkward it was almost hard to watch. Actually, all Crash kisses are hard to watch.
145.) Because she went into a depression mode just because she lost the band contest to him.
146.) Because we know there's more to Craig than Ashley. But is there really more to Ashley than Craig?
147.) Because even Marco understands Craig ten times better than Ashley.
148.) Because when Crash finally falls apart again, we'll all have a good laugh.
149.) Because there's a stronger argument against Crash than there is for them.
150.) Because she wanted Craig to blow all of his ten grand on a "fun" spree.
151.) Because even Craig's kiss with Marco had more passion than any of Craig, and Ashley's kisses.
152.) Because most Pro-Crash reasons are grossly inaccurate and are only contradicting Anti-Crash reasons with no real logical backup(Put us in a debate and you'll see. Tsk, tsk.)
153.) Because Craig never even considered crying when Ashley left(Read jounral entry.)
154.) Because Marco decorated Craig's locker, not Ashley.
155.) Because a lot of couples have their troubles, but Craig and Ashley have gone through hell.
156.) Because "She's not in the band, Craig. Nobody agreed to it."
157.) Because "you're the dust in my eye you're the rock in my shoe."
158.) Because she wanted to have sex with Jimmy to impress Paige, yet she yelled at Craig for telling Spinner, a.k.a "This was suppose to be a private thing between us."
159.) Because she's only filling a void of emptiness that Craig desperately feels, that's why he doesn't want to let her go.
160.) Because wouldn't you want to judge a couple based on factual reasons(C&B) and not fantasy reasons(AA)?
161.) Because Craig couldn't dump Manny for Ashley, either. This is a two-way street.
162.) Because even the New York Times gets our point.
163.) Because Craig and Manny made each other happy, while Craig and Ashley are always hurting each other. So who's really bringing out the worst in each other?
164.) Because wanting space is one thing, but making your boyfriend feel like a loser is another.
165.) Because she never opens up to him and then lashes out at him later.
166.) Because there's a difference between being a fan of a couple and supporting them out of respect and friendship(Marco, Spinner, Paige, Ellie).
167.) Because we don't overexaggerate. We see it and tell it how it is.
168.) Because no two people should need eachother the way Craig has needed Ashley. Otherwise how can you support space as well?
169.) Because our reasons work for us.
170.) Because you can't save someone when you're the one making them crash and burn.
171.) Because the relationship lacks independence on both ends.
172.) Because she loves him, she loves him not, she loves him, she loves him not.
173.) Because the writers are trying so hard to make them look "destined" that it makes them look fake.
174.) Because if they didn't look so physically cute together, it would be easier to see all of their negative traits.
175.) Because the guitar didn't magically make him realize that he still loved her more.
176.) Because the summer apart will help them realize that they don't need eachother.
177.) Because if it didn't work out the second time around, just give up.
178.) Because not once has she ever really got him(And that includes Secret).
179.) Because any idiot knows that you shouldn't change for someone else.
180.) Because she tried to help him and only made things worse.
181.) Because the entire couple in general is an exaggeration.
182.) Because we're about quality, not quantity.
183.) Because their relationship even puts us on an emotional rollercoaster.
184.) Because he is dependent on her, codependent.
185.) Because AMEN, they're finally done.
186.) Because she thought he was crazy with or without his meds.
187.) Because yes she is his Mary Poppins. Just like Mary Poppins, she left.
188.) Because "Maybe they won't be spending Christmas together."
189.) Because disasters are nowhere near beautiful.
190.) Because "Degrassi's number one power-couple?" Are you kidding me?
191.) Because at least Romeo and Juliet ended up together.
192.) Because crash is nothing without the fights, while cranny would be entertaining regardless.
193.) Because that's not something he knows much about
194.) Because he sucks
195.) Because he screwed up.
196.) Because Craig never earned Ash's trust.
197.) Because he hurt her.
198.) Because everything he touches turns to dust.
199.) Because she's onto him.
200.) Because he was so blind to how she felt.
201.) Because it took him years to figure out.
202.) Because "Oh please. Not this again."
203.) Because she felt so bad she wanted to die.
204.) Because he had no idea what his life was like for the past few months,
205.) Because there is NO excuse for cheating.
206.) Because he just popped up thinking it'd be OK to go to Englang, without even asking her.
207.) Because they both deserve to be happy, NOT TOGETHER.
208.) Because Craig treated Ashley like dirt,
209.) Because he was part of the reason her year was crappy.
210.) Because he lied lied lied.
211.) Because Ashley is the type of girl who needs space, Craig is the type of guy who likes to smother and be smothered. These two don't mix.
212.) Because JimAsh and Sash kisses are hotter then Crash kisses.
213.) Because he told Spinner.
214.) Because "I screwed up. Again, and again, and again..."
215.) Because "Tell Ashley that."
216.) Because he caused a scene at her father wedding.
217.) Because "You didn't think at all."
218.) Because Ashley needs to solve her problems before she takes on Craig's.
219.) Because he was a player.
220.) Because while TV is about entertainment, Degrassi is about REAL LIFE.


by Methodic Ways

Voices Carry parody by Virtue:

Voices Carry I #255

Voices Carry II #261

Album art by Leigh



Disc One

1. Pieces by Sum41
2. Half-Crazy by Musiq
3. Hemorrhage (in my hand) by Fuel
4. How you remind me by Nickelback
5. Emotional Rollercoaster by Vivian Green
6. Fallen by Alicia Keyes
7. Hold Me by Savage Garden
8. Changes I've Been Going Through by Mary J. Blige
9. Bandages by Hot Hot Heat
10. Unreachable by Ashlee Simpson
11. Exgirlfriend by No Doubt
12. Should I Stay or Should I Go by The Clash
13. Ghost of me and you by BBMAK
14. One Step Closer by Linkin Park
15. Get it Faster by Jimmy Eat World
16. Quit Playing Games (with my Heart) by The Backstreet Boys

Disc 2

1. Pulling Teeth by Greenday
2. #1 Crush by Garbage
3. When Doves Cry by Prince
4. Just Like a Pill by Pink
5. You Know You're Right by Nirvana
6. Sick Cycle Carousel by Lifehouse
7. Tainted Love by Marilyn Manson
8. Sullen Girl by Fiona Apple
9. Rollercoaster by Blink 182
10. You're So Vain by Carly Simon
11. Walking on Broken Glass by Annie Lennox
12. You've Been Flirting Again by Bjork
13. Going Under by Evanescence
14. Behind These Hazel Eyes by Kelly Clarkson
15. Borderline by Madonna
16. Mr. Nice Guy by Hell Hath No Fury









Myth: They've both have had hard times in life.

Truth: Craig's mother died. His dad use to beat him up. He almost tried to kill himself when playing chicken with a train. He found his half sister and almost wanted to run away with her. He eventually moves in with Joey to stay away from his abusive dad. Then by the end of season two, his dad strikes again, only to be killed shortly after. He has a fit. He now has lost both his biological mother AND father. He cheats on his girlfriend(Same Ashley) and gets another girl pregnant. He's psyched at the idea of having his "own little family," but his dreams are crushed when the girl has an abortion. And now, we find out that he is diagnosed with bipolar, which he will be managing for the rest of his life.

As for Ashley, let's see....She was Little Miss Perfect in season one. Popular, school president, dating a hottie. Then she was stupid enough to take extacy at a party just to seem "fun." She loses her friends. Almost gets them back, but turns cocky and loses them again. Befriends an outcast and decides to turn goth to be just like her. Accuses Jimmy of wanting to change her. Oh, and the poor dear has to suffer the fact that her father's gay! Even though he and her mom get along great and he's a totally loving NON-ABUSIVE father. Oh, and then in season three Craig cheats on her(Yep, the same Craig), gets another girl pregnant. She skips school to mope and feel sorry for herself at home. Oh, and now she has to deal with having a bipolar boyfriend. (Sigh)Poor, poor girl.

Sorry, but if they were to ever make a movie about either of these two, I'm pretty sure they'd pick Craig. Ashley's problems are laughable.

Myth: They want the same things in life.

Truth: Countless times it's been obvious exactly what Craig wants. He wants a loving family. And this isn't just because of the bipolar. The poor guys been through a lot. After his mom died then his abusive dad, he has lost both his parents and doesn't feel like he has a real family. Pretty much what he told Spinner in Accidents Will Happen when he was super excited about Manny's pregnancy. Craig dreams of starting a family of his own, and as soon as possible. He wants his own loved ones and he wants them to be close to him all the time. That's what Craig wants in life.

Ashley wants freedom. She wants to experience things and gain independence. She always wants to "get away" when things get stressful. I highly doubt that Ashley is going to want to settle down after highschool. She'll probably want to go to a far away university. Craig isn't going to be happy about that. He's always gonna want to be with her. Look at what happened with England. If Ashley stays with Craig after highschool, he's going to continue to hold her back and she won't get to experience the things in life that she truly desires. Ashley even mentioned in a jounral entry once that she didn't want to have kids. That they would hold her back. Where does that leave Craig?

Myth: They understand eachother.

Truth: There was that one time in Back In Black where Craig gave Ashley somewhat of an epiphany. Since then people have acted as if they're soulmates. Ashley couldn't even understand why Craig was having a hard time expressing his feelings. She had to have a long talk with Paige after screaming at him at the party. Then Craig couldn't even understand why Ashley would still be bothered over the Manny thing. And now, Ashley can't even believe Craig that he had been keeping his disorder under control. She always panicks and doesn't trust him. And Craig couldn't understand why Ashley wanted space.

They both understand eachother's love of music. That is all.

Myth: They have the same style.

Truth: Sure they do. This isn't totally a myth. I mean it physically looks that way, right? Even though Ashley have changed her style THREE TIMES already. She didn't go for the vintage look until AFTER she and Craig started dating. So it appears that they do. Clothing wise, music wise....That's about it. They visually have the same style. But Craig's lyrics have always been more emotional, deep and meaningful and he writes them to express his feelings(I'm In Love, Dust). Ashley's have always been mopey, angry, or depressing.(How Can I B, Poor Thing, Gravity, Mr. Nice Guy, the girl who died in the Spanish Civil War). All her songs are whiney. Plus back in season one and two, did it honestly seem like Ashley had ANY interest in rock music?

Myth: They just match.

Truth: Appearance wise, sure. Personality wise? Oh dear God, no! They totally clash. Craig is an very outgoing socializing fun guy with lots of friends who always wants love. Ashley is a serious, uptight, moody melodramatic girl who always wants space, and other than Craig is only seen hanging out with Ellie. And this is not an opposite attracts deal, either. Not even close. Their differences don't compliment each other. If anything, they conflict. It's already causing problems and is only gonna get worse in the future. Craig's outgoing carefree personality has not gotten Ashley to lighten up on hers. They don't do anything for eachother. At least not as a couple.

Myth: They are the next Joey and Caitlin.

Truth: In actuality, though the cheating/abortion storylines were used with both couples, the difference is that Craig unlike Joey professed his love for the "other woman" (Manny) whereas Joey always made it clear that he was with Tessa strictly for sex, nothing else. Also the thing that made Caitlin and Joey such a great couple were their differences. Sean and Emma are a much better example of this. Whereas Crash relies on superficial similarities (similar music tastes, clothes) as the basis of their relationship.

Myth: He told her she shouldn't change for someone else that means he'll love her for who she is.

Truth: Putting aside the fact that Jimmy was never trying to change Ashley in Dressed In Black, Craig's advice for Ashley was something anybody could have told her. Everybody knows you shouldn’t change to get someone to like you. Jimmy loved Ashley for who she was as well. He was even getting use to her look. It's not his fault Ashley was being such a drama queen. Didn't he even say to Spinner that he though Ashley was more down to earth? Plus Ashley forced Jimmy to tell her which picture he preferred. Jimmy was trying to look past it and accept her for who she was, but it was like she was digging for a reason to break up with him. Okay, so he had an appearance preference. Who cares? It didn't change his feelings for her. He's not a shallow jerk. He liked her for who she was, not how she looked. Ashley completely overreacted.

Myth: Ashley helped Craig through his father's death and his bipolarity.

Truth: Starting with Craig's father's death. The only person who should truly get credit for helping Craig in the situation was Terri. Everyone else, including Ashley, was driving Craig nuts because he was tired of everyone always being concerned. And Ashley just so happened to be the one who pushed him over the edge. After Terri's help, people were able to get through to him again, including Ashley. Everybody was there for him. What makes Ashley so special? Just because she was his girlfriend? Well, what girlfriend is going to walk away from a guy after suffering such a loss? Ashley's support was no different from the support he got from everyone else. Only after the talk with Terri, Craig was starting to accept the support from everyone. If it weren't for Terri, nobody would be able to understand him, and that includes Ashley.

As for Craig's bipolarity. Ashley, being the decent girlfriend that she is, didn't walk away from Craig just because he was diagnosed bipolar. I don't know why any girl would. However, the only time Ashley can be credited for actually helping Craig is in Secret. Then Craig had a heart to heart talk with her about how he didn't want to be treated differently by her and how he just wanted to be her boyfriend. Ashley said she got it. But did she really? Absolutely not. She got even worse. It went from simple support to questioning him about his meds in public. If Ashley really trusted Craig, she would have trusted him that he was taking his meds and keeping his bipolarity under control. If Ashley really understood Craig, she would have listened to him when he asked her to stop. Instead, she just made things even harder, on herself and on Craig. And she wasn't helping him at all. She may have had "good intentions,” but good intentions don't always make things okay. In the end, she had the nerve to complain about how hard everything has been hard for her. When she brought all of that stress upon herself. She led Craig on and then lashed out at him about it later. She should have opened up to him like he opened up to her.

Myth: The summer will make them stronger and make them realize how much they do in fact love and need each other

Truth: This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The whole point of this separation is so the two can gain some independence and realize that they can survive on their own and don't have to depend on each other. But fans think it's going to do the exact opposite? Why on earth would the separation make them realize they need each other? Just because they'll miss each other? If that were the case than you're basically saying that after this trip to England they'll never want to be apart again. Oh yeah, very romantic. Isn't that the way Craig was already feeling before Ashley went to England? And isn't that what made Ashley want to leave? Get your heads out of the clouds. This separation over the summer is to help them realize they don't need each other.

Myth: The fact that after Craig, cheated on her last year, she was willing to give him another chance. That say's a lot.

Truth: That says they're both suckers. They were caught in this romantic moment. There was no way Ashley would have said no. Any love struck girl in Ashley's position would have done the exact same thing. How can she say no to Craig after he threw away an amazing opportunity for her? Other than that, this romantic reuniting gave us the impression that things would be better the second time around. But they ended up failing again. It was pointless. This is just another one of the many overly exaggerated myths about Crash.


by Callie



by Lyddie



by Cranny's ****
I'll start off by saying that i don't think craig was EVER in love with either girls. He's in love with the idea of having a family and feminine affection. Ashley and manny were both comfort zones to him. Last season when ashley wasn't around to provide that comfort, that affection, manny provided it. Now that Ashley is providing the physical aspect of the relationship, he wants her around all the time. It was apparent that craig did not love manny but i realized that craig was NOT in love with Ashley when watching Going Down the Road. He said it himself, he thinks that during the 2 months apart from ash, she will go off and fall for someone else. The obsession isnt love. It is an obsession for comfort because he does not trust his relationship with ashley. There fore he does not love her, period. So he goes off his meds and runs away because ashley is leaving for 2 months?...what kind of love is this? that is not love. His reaction when ash left was pretty much his same reaction when manny tried to get the abortion, he goes bezerk because he NEEDS his comfort zone, he needs a family.
And i honestly think that his impulsive behavior when leaving his best friends for Ash was due to the fact that manny was never around and Ash was always around. Manny was off frolicking with spinner while ash was there at the record store, in band practices, etc. And because she was always around, he wanted to keep her always around.
For now, he really SHOULD stay single and work on his dependency issue. ANd if he needs to be dependent, let him be dependent of his family:angela & joey, and not on p*ssy. But i think his speech to Joey at the end of GDTR represented craig's change and that hes not going to be the same person he has been for the past two seasons.


by Jazmin

Ways that Holiday showed Craig favored Manny more:

by Virtue
1) Craig seeked out Manny when he was filming Angie on the ice.
2) He cuddled with her when she wanted to be warm.
3) He felt like **** when Manny dumped him the first time for not wanting to make the choice.
4) He ran to her when Cailtin gave him that advice.
5) He was prepared to break up with Ashley until she gave him the guitar, and instead he lied and said "I love you."
6) He got Ashley a Ramones t-shirt and Manny a bracelet. A bracelet is a much more appropriate "boyfriend" gift than some t-shirt. Supporting the fact that Craig and Manny seemed much more like a couple than Craig and Ashley.
7) We only saw Craig and Ashley kiss once throughout the whole episode. And it was a peck on the cheek! We got three separate occassions where Manny and Craig are very passionate together. They just seem more real.

by Methodic Ways
If you look at the episode "Holiday" by itself, Manny and Caitlin actually begin to parallel each other. In Holiday, Joey is with Sydney and Craig is with Ashley, therefore making Manny and Caitlin "the other women". Caitlin encourages Craig to follow his heart and he chooses Manny. Joey is encouraged to follow his heart and he chooses Caitlin. I'm not trying to say that Cranny is the next Jaitlin but to me it further proves that Crash isn't.


by Lyddie




Since officially seeing them together as a couple in the begining of season three, we were introduced with two totally different characters. Suddenly Craig is interested in having his own rock band and Ashley is his punk rock princess. Just a couple months ago she was all goth and depressing and he showed no signs of wanting to be a musician at all. Now it was all about music. Craig couldn't even tell her he loved her without singing it in a song. He couldn't say I'm sorry without singing in a song. And she couldn't express her true outrage without singing it in a song. They can only communicate with eachother best through music, otherwise they would not be able to understand eachother as well at all. And now Craig ditches the band all because he didn't want to record a song that meant so much to him and Ash. Plus Ashley is always letting out her pain through music, and it's the way Craig expresses himself. This is what's truly holding them to eachother.

Yes, they love eachother. But their shared connection with music is ten times stronger. If they lost this connection...that would be it. There's no way they could survive. So what if they have had conversation where they don't talk about it? They're still a couple, afterall. And if you haven't noticed, the most recent conversations they've had that aren't about music are about Craig being bipolar. And look how that went. And between that there is the usual "I love you."

Going back to the myth that they have so much in common, everytime a Crash exclaims that, the first thing that pops out is "music." Next? "Style." Next........Now is when they have to do some thinking. Even if they manage to come up with even the most remote things, it's still obvious what immediately snaps people into believing that they have so much in common. Their shared love of music. They even look and act like musicians. And now people are assuming that they want the same things in life because of this fact. Because of music.

But take music away....What do they have? They love eachother, okay, that's nothing new or special. They'd both been through a lot? That's already been stressly argued. The fact is, nothing else they share is strong enough to keep them together, let alone make them "destined." They can't communicate as well. Sure, there was that one time in the hospital where Ashley said all those things, only to break them later. As for every moment they shared before season three, they were only friends then. They weren't communicating as a couple. Any spark that they had in Dressed In Black or Tears Are Not Enough or whatever, all gone once they became a couple. After that, it was all about loving and playing music.

This is one of the reasons people love them. Two musicians in love! Well these people need to be knocked back into reality. Because in the long run, a relatinoship based strongly on one thing doesn't always work out. The little things don't matter because they are not what's holding the couple together. They could totally make it as friends. But not as lovers. Take away music, they'd be the most boring couple in the world.


by Kowaii




Quotes from Craig's journal entries:

"If the person I was supposed to be with had spend more time doing rather than thinking, this never would have happened. But instead I have to go along with her up and down roller coaster ride of emotions...loving me then hating me then loving me again...it's like I have to memorize this giant set of rules before I do anything...."

"I'll just stay here overnight and write an awesome song without the help of Ashley...or my meds!! she thinks I'm too crazy when I'm on my meds to be around anymore then what's the point..."

"I never should screwed up that demo CD over Ash...nice! rejection and regret all at once...great."

"man I've never seen a 30-whatever year-old guy bawl his eyes out like Joey did when Caitlin left. Funny, I was shocked, but I never really so much felt like crying when Ashley left."

Should I Stay Or Should I Go:

Ashley:Sometimes, I don't think you feel the same way I do about us.
Craig: What are you talking about? I gave you-
Ashley: Roses. And they were beautiful, they really were. But...
Craig: But what?
(Shows him the card)
Craig: Look, it's hard for me, Ash.
Ashley: I know. And that's why I think we should take a bit of a break.

Ashley: You told him?
Craig: It was just Spinner being an idiot.
Ashley: We haven't even had sex yet and you're gonig around bragging.
Craig: Woah, I told one friend. That's not exactly going around.
Ashley: I thought this meant something to you!
Craig: What are you talking about?
Ashley: This was suppose to be a private thing between us!
Craig: Well I only told Spinner because I was happy.
Ashley: I'll bet you were, you conned me into thinking I wanted to have sex with you, and now-
Craig: Wait, I conned you into it?
Ashley: With that stupid lie of a song!
Craig: That wasn't a lie!
Ashley: Wrong. You don't know how to say it Craig because you don't really love me!

Rock and Roll Highschool:

Ashley: 'Scuse us, posers.
Ellie: Real musicians coming through.
Craig: Oh you're signing up? Cool. A little uh, competition never hurt.
Ashley: 'Cause nothing ever gets in the way of what Craig wants. Not emotions, honesty, other people's feelings...
Craig: You hear that? She still hates me.
Ashley: And that's why the girls and I are gonna blow you right off the stage.

Craig: Those lyrics of yours, not cool.
Ashley: Typical. Self absorbed Craig actually thinks the song's about him.
Ellie: Wow, so vain.
Craig: What's your problem? You attack me everytime I pass you in the hallway, and now you're performing that?
Paige: Well what did you expect? For he's a jolly good fellow?
Craig: Ash, I swear, if you play that song in the competiton, I'll-
Ashley: Have sex with more grade nines?
Snake: Guys, settle down please.
Craig: You know, if you weren't such a prude, I'd never have been with Manny.
Ashley: Oh but, I thought you loved her?
Craig: Oh you know what, go-
Snake: Hey! One more word, double homework.

Craig: I give up.
Ashley: I'm sorry. I care why?
Craig: All you care about is making my life a living hell.
Ashley: Do you have any idea what my life has been like the past few months?
Craig: Oh please, not this again.
Ashley: You think this t-shirt's hard to deal with, or our song? I wanted to die Craig. I felt that bad.
Craig: Okay, well you're not listening-
Ashley: No. It's not okay. I'll never be okay.
Craig: I'm sorry, okay? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. How many times do I have to say it?
Ashley: Until you mean it.

Going Down The Road:

Ashley: You can't follow me to England.
Craig: Ash, come on.
Ashley: Look, why, why are you here doing this? Are you off your meds?
Craig: No, I'm not off my meds. I'm here 'cause I love you and I have plans.
Ashley: Yeah, so do I Craig, and you said you were okay with them. You said it repeatedly, so what is this?
Craig: This is me trying to figure out who we're gonna spend the summer together. You think I'm having an episode!
Ashley: I don't know what to think! Look, I need space. I need to get away.
Craig: Oh okay.
Ashley: From you. Look Craig, I love you. But ever since my dad's wedding it's just been me worrying. Me watching for signs, watching what I say.
Craig: Why won't you just believe me? I'm better now. I'm okay, I am.
Ashley: Email me, okay? I'll see you in September.

Mr. Nice Guy Lyrics - Hell Hath No Fury:

This song is the price for breaking my heart
Should of written these words to you right from the start
You say it doesn't matter, how it's all in the past
My pain doesn't show, it's disguised by this mask
I can't pretend to forgive and forget
Gonna make the day you met me, a day you'll regret
'Cause you're the dust in my eye
You're the rock in my shoe
Yeah, you lie, lie, lie
Better watch what you say, 'cause I'm on to you
Mr. Nice Guy, whoa, Mr. Nice Guy
You're so nice.

Avatars by Callie



Past Thread Titles

7.) Because he was the one who cheated on her
6.) Because even if it's not his fault, she'll make it seem that way
5.) Because their relationship puts us on an emotional rollercoaster
4.) Because he thinks she's a virus
3.) Because she needs space, she needs to get away... From him!
2.) Because a relationship isn't strong enough based on music
1.) Because she can leave degrassi..but the problem is her.NO bashing Allowed!


by Kowaii

[froggiepopple]

sorry it took so long. I wasn't sure how to copy and paste the drop-down menu, I redid it from scratch.

[breath we drew]

Wow, great job Leigh, . Looks awesome. I love our drop own menu.

[froggiepopple]

callie how did you copy and paste it?

[Laddii1223]

Hooray new thread!

[breath we drew]

I usually have two internet pages up, and I clicked reply with quote then I copied and pasted that into Post New Topic deleting the quote headers. It usually helps. .

[froggiepopple]

that is what I did, but for some reason when I previewed it the drop-down menu didn't show up

[breath we drew]

Hmm... That's weird.

[Mariael311]

Thanks for the new thread!

Um..sometimes the server glitches...don't worry..if it didn't work...I'd help ya figure it out!

[froggiepopple]

it is okay I just had to redo it the long way

[Mariael311]

I'm lazy...copy and paste!

[froggiepopple]

I do prefer that route myself

[breath we drew]

Yup I prefer that too. Hey should we make a template?

[froggiepopple]

do you mean like that ones you can use for avatars and banners?

[breath we drew]

Oh I mean like a little link to where if someone needs to start a thread they can just get the coding, but that is a great idea as well. I will make us a PB account we will still have 20 images but then a photbucket with more like screen caps, banners, buttons, Avatars, Blinies, etc.